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Hundbert · Oct 12, 2008, 12:20 PM // 12:20

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Polly is right in that players and teams are both much better than before.

I also agree with this statement.

But then again if you look at the top40 of the ladder a lot of the guilds there are actually inactive or dead/disbanded/sold. I count to ~18 of those 40 guilds just placeholders.

Seppo Hovi - dead
Dark alley - dead
There's a new sheriff - dead
Be team - dead
Virtual escape - dead
Vroom rulez - dead
Newbs on tour - dead
Final thrust - dead
Noob glads - dead
Witness of destiny - dead
Sol - dead
Prar - dead
Mistral edge - dead
Dnf - dead
Storm hogs - dead
Dark saints - dead
SSS - dead
Hobby horse - dead

Those are all the dead guilds i could find in the top40.

If you extend the list to top60 you will find another 13/20 dead guilds sad as that may be.

The population of 'former' top gvg players gets smaller every month with players quitting gw.

øln · Oct 12, 2008, 02:17 PM // 14:17

Alot of them just reformed into another guild, or broke up, and many of them still play. The old ladder was reset quite often, while this one has been here for over a year.

Old people leave, but new players also come. I don't think the skill level is decreasing, but oldtimers often have a hard time accepting that someone who hasn't played consistantly in top 100 the last 3 years can be better than them.

Yue · Oct 16, 2008, 12:43 AM // 00:43

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Alot of them just reformed into another guild, or broke up, and many of them still play.

For Euros, maybe. For Americans, that's not true. Considering practically everyone in dR and DF didn't just disband, but actually quit the game, there is a substantial loss of players. While this isn't anything new (players have been quitting forever), the amount of guilds that reform from what's left are getting smaller and smaller. While euros may not have been hit as hard, the loss of players, not just guilds, such as those from vD and vZ should tell you just how few solid players are left.

Snow Bunny · Oct 16, 2008, 03:53 AM // 03:53

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Originally Posted by øln

Old people leave, but new players also come. I don't think the skill level is decreasing, but oldtimers often have a hard time accepting that someone who hasn't played consistantly in top 100 the last 3 years can be better than them.

completely agree

TheDarkshineKnight · Oct 16, 2008, 04:22 AM // 04:22

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Originally Posted by Yue

For Euros, maybe. For Americans, that's not true. Considering practically everyone in dR and DF didn't just disband, but actually quit the game, there is a substantial loss of players. While this isn't anything new (players have been quitting forever), the amount of guilds that reform from what's left are getting smaller and smaller. While euros may not have been hit as hard, the loss of players, not just guilds, such as those from vD and vZ should tell you just how few solid players are left.

It just means that newer players will have to be shaped by older guilds into better players. You've got to replace the population eventually.

just rude · Oct 30, 2008, 05:12 AM // 05:12

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Originally Posted by TheDarkshineKnight

It just means that newer players will have to be shaped by older guilds into better players. You've got to replace the population eventually.

Considering you need to buy the game in order to play, no you don't.

I can't believe the how little respect there is now for the insanely skilled guilds from just a few years ago. You new kids do understand there was a prize of 100K for the winning guild, correct?

How many $100k prizes are there now?

Has Anet made more money since the last 100K prize or before?

I understand how you feel, I didn't beta this game I didn't get in until Jan 06, I think I was in tombs like days before it switched.

Go back and watch evil put te on lock down on the frozen for forever.

You guys have had the luxury of running shit like you do, Aegis are you kidding me. People actually got to run a skill like LoD, what about Paraway? The party wide stuff that has been introduced has made the least common denominator better, but the elite worse. There was none of that before.

It's cool if you wanna pretend and stuff, but go learn the meta these people played under. You will find it was a lot more pointed and "on target" then the meta you've seen since a couple months after factions came out.

is there even a monk playing that can live w/o Aegis?

Nope, why? they dumbed the game down.

We were playing Chess now we play Checkers, and the Checkers players think they own at chess.

its just laughable.

Avarre · Oct 30, 2008, 06:56 AM // 06:56

As the game goes on, it gets more mapped out and refined. Nostalgia is well and good, but if you looked back on their games I guarantee you would see mistakes that no top guild now would make. It's the same in just about any competitive game.

DarkNecrid · Oct 30, 2008, 07:21 AM // 07:21

Heh at least we can jump and capture multiple pieces in a row now since we're checkers.

/agree w/ Avarre

luminoth · Oct 30, 2008, 10:01 AM // 10:01

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Originally Posted by just rude

is there even a monk playing that can live w/o Aegis?

Nope, why? they dumbed the game down.
its just laughable.

Mo/W, Mo/A? Oshi-

icedwhitemocha · Oct 30, 2008, 10:13 AM // 10:13

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Originally Posted by Avarre

As the game goes on, it gets more mapped out and refined. Nostalgia is well and good, but if you looked back on their games I guarantee you would see mistakes that no top guild now would make. It's the same in just about any competitive game.

Although this is mostly true, there's an element of truth in what rude said as well. I can't really decide which side I agree with more =/

Asplode · Oct 30, 2008, 12:21 PM // 12:21

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$50k spread over 8 people = $6250 each. Still very substantial, but not the "100k" you're talking about.

No more cash prizes. I really doubt that was at all profitable.

No idea about ANet's earnings, but is irrelevant. I believe GW2 will be looking to Third-Parties for tourney support, but don't quote me on that.

Party-wide spells and defense were the name of the game in EviL's day as well, don't kid yourself. Aegis, Dual E/Mo b-flash heal party ward lightning orb, Extinguish when Factions came out. Defense was aplenty. Their metagame was not saturated with interrupts because it hasn't yet been pushed forward that interrupts should become the universal counter. Gale warriors, Eprod eles, Edrain or Mantra Recall monks, Blackout mesmers and their ilk cannot exist in the current metagame featuring 1-2 rangers and a PBlock mesmer.

Yesterday's metagame had a lot less damage, a lot more energy, a fraction of the interrupts, and more emphasis on NPCs, considering that VoD existed.
Today's metagame features a lot more damage, faster spells, and much less energy. It's simply different. I'm not sure from what you're substantiating this "It was a lot more pointed and 'on target' then(sic) the meta you've seen since a couple months after Factions came out." statement, but it seems fairly baseless.

Monks can live without aegis, they are Mo/W's and do very well for themselves.

They sure did dumb the game down. Watch any of the top 4 matches. We all play defensive spike. Some teams simply win/lose to it based on the stand fight alone, which makes you wonder about the state of game balance. Is it fair to blame the players when the metagame has shaped itself so? Who's to say that form of play isn't the "play to win" strategy of the month? Do you expect players to bring forth colorful and risky strategies when the best approach has already been discovered? Now that's just arguing DF honor.

If you want GW's win condition to be the amount of gales and blackouts you can string together while dancing around in distortion, that's fine. Go e-mail Izzy, he'll put it in the game, and then you can watch the winning teams take advantage of that and stop complaining.

Your chess metaphor is, just like the rest of your argument, proven to be baseless. That's not to say that I feel that people that win in today's GW always win by what you personally would feel is meritable, but at the same time if it were really that easy, why don't you come steal the crown away from us peasants? I'm nothing special, but my argument is that neither are you, and neither were the Kings of your memory

I don't want to start a retarded flame-war with some anon on guru, but far be it for me to let you peddle your bullshit without seeing the other side of the proverbial coin.

MaaKotka · Oct 30, 2008, 01:05 PM // 13:05

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